tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post3560295180210099799..comments2024-02-19T04:50:58.170-08:00Comments on Shuck and Jive: The Meaning of Life, Part 20John Shuckhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00798753206614838161noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-88846907849950170972009-04-10T15:14:00.000-07:002009-04-10T15:14:00.000-07:00Spong, and those who agree with him, are partly ri...Spong, and those who agree with him, are partly right: Jesus did not die for your sins. Jesus always intended for YOU to bear the penalty for your own sins.<BR/><BR/>Jesus died for the sins of those he chose to receive eternal life; a small minority of humanity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-7370258911808241332009-04-08T19:47:00.000-07:002009-04-08T19:47:00.000-07:00On the other hand there is Mr. Chesterton to Mr. B...On the other hand there is Mr. Chesterton to Mr. Blatchford:<BR/><BR/>"Mr. Blatchford says that there was not a Fall but a gradual rise. But the very word "rise" implies that you know toward what you are rising. Unless there is a standard you cannot tell whether you are rising or falling. But the main point is that the Fall like every other large path of Christianity is embodied in the common language talked on the top of an omnibus. Anybody might say, "Very few men are really Manly." Nobody would say, "Very few whales are really whaley."<BR/><BR/>"If you wanted to dissuade a man from drinking his tenth whisky you would slap him on the back and say, "Be a man." No one who wished to dissuade a crocodile from eating his tenth explorer would slap it on the back and say, "Be a crocodile." For we have no notion of a perfect crocodile; no allegory of a whale expelled from his whaley Eden. If a whale came up to us and said: "I am a new kind of whale; I have abandoned whalebone," we should not trouble. But if a man came up to us (as many will soon come up to us) to say, "I am a new kind of man. I am the super-man. I have abandoned mercy and justice"; we should answer, "Doubtless you are new, but you are not nearer to the perfect man, for he has been already in the mind of God. We have fallen with Adam and we shall rise with Christ; but we would rather fall with Satan than rise with you.""rick allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07612435616018593956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-69928074974344515102009-04-05T20:37:00.000-07:002009-04-05T20:37:00.000-07:00What are ya reading of Neibuhr? If I ever get to y...What are ya reading of Neibuhr? If I ever get to your guys neck of the woods, I'll need to stop by some Sunday morning :)Dwighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01022414933969854363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-6744398679797662422009-04-05T18:11:00.000-07:002009-04-05T18:11:00.000-07:00Nice critique, Dwight. We are going to do a study...Nice critique, Dwight. We are going to do a study of Niebuhr in the coming months.John Shuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00798753206614838161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-73774030726031285112009-04-05T17:04:00.000-07:002009-04-05T17:04:00.000-07:00I think it's a combination of reading Niebuhr and ...I think it's a combination of reading Niebuhr and thinking of what theology looks like post holocaust. Both make me reticent over Spong's claim about the human.<BR/><BR/>Our estrangement from each other in some cases provides the possibilities of individuality, in other cases it produces gross injustices against the other. If theology points this out, it's not that the theology degenrates the human. It's that it identifies those things we've done which degenerate ourselves. <BR/><BR/>Plato suggests the very thing which can save us can condemn us, and our possibilities for self transcendence can be the occassion of disregard for others, for our wider world, and much worse. I think a liberal theology which can take that seriously is needed, as we look to be both empowered by God for "living into our humanity" as well as we look to overcome those things, whether in our nature, or even in the systemic structures of our world (racism, sexism, all sorts of original sins out there) that limit our life together.Dwighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01022414933969854363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-54952895105178036372009-04-02T11:14:00.000-07:002009-04-02T11:14:00.000-07:00Why not just become UU's?Covered dish suppers. No...<I>Why not just become UU's?</I><BR/><BR/>Covered dish suppers. Not that UUs don't have nice covered dish suppers, it is just that I like the Presby ones a little more.John Shuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00798753206614838161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-40087783100662872952009-04-02T10:42:00.000-07:002009-04-02T10:42:00.000-07:00Why not just become UU's?Why not just become UU's?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-72723957095706242912009-04-02T06:39:00.000-07:002009-04-02T06:39:00.000-07:00I love it - and I love the bit about humans needin...I love it - and I love the bit about humans needing to punish themselves because of their self-awareness. Because we're the only creatures to fully understand that we are born and we die, someone needed to cast Adam and Eve out of the Garden, as if understanding our mortality isn't punishment enough!Snadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04055786911610974637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-17588025061788731152009-04-02T05:26:00.000-07:002009-04-02T05:26:00.000-07:00This makes actual, total sense! Awesome!This makes actual, total sense! Awesome!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-57152339482354009292009-04-02T04:38:00.000-07:002009-04-02T04:38:00.000-07:00Ah, it's the end of atonement theology as we know ...Ah, it's the end of atonement theology as we know it.<BR/><BR/>And I feel fine!Franhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07181529277715646835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-88003063186963272682009-04-02T04:25:00.000-07:002009-04-02T04:25:00.000-07:00I really like Spong. He makes sense to me too. He...I really like Spong. He makes sense to me too. He ticks of the fundies. That is not why I like him, but it is an added bonus.John Shuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00798753206614838161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-35114857593877162202009-04-01T22:34:00.000-07:002009-04-01T22:34:00.000-07:00Finally, some theology I can get behind.Finally, some theology I can get behind.Dr. Monkey Von Monkersteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14370062692837972451noreply@blogger.com