tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post4121489257359663302..comments2024-02-19T04:50:58.170-08:00Comments on Shuck and Jive: Dangerous and DeviantJohn Shuckhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00798753206614838161noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-13481267169903171812008-08-06T13:04:00.000-07:002008-08-06T13:04:00.000-07:00Thanks John, and Snad.Thanks John, and Snad.Gracehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17018475588969974790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-50929087943228368712008-08-06T06:24:00.000-07:002008-08-06T06:24:00.000-07:00Grace,I think if you read any of Fox's 26 or so bo...Grace,<BR/><BR/>I think if you read any of Fox's 26 or so books, you will find far more eloquent and intelligent answers to your question than I can give.<BR/><BR/>It would also be a mistake to say that what Fox says is against the Church, especially as many parts of the Church are catching on to what he (and others) are talking about.<BR/><BR/>I heard a quote that Fox was so ahead of the Church that the Church mistook him for an enemy.<BR/><BR/>I am not voting for sainthood for Fox (as if he would want it). He is a human being with feet of clay. <BR/><BR/>But he has spoken with the message of Jesus "Feed my sheep" <A HREF="http://revjph.blogspot.com/2008/08/tosh-of-day.html?showComment=1217956320000#c4499520984866903817" REL="nofollow">(thanks to Madpriest for that reminder).</A><BR/><BR/>That simple command has been misunderstood by the Church. I am sure you can count the ways.John Shuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00798753206614838161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-77253549932934687892008-08-06T05:52:00.000-07:002008-08-06T05:52:00.000-07:00Grace - I think the whole problem is because (and ...Grace - <BR/><BR/>I think the whole problem is because (and forgive me Fran, if I offend) the Papacy has historically been a profit-and-power driven institution. And any time someone comes along and creates a model that threatens the power and/or profit, it's labelled trouble, in an attempt to isolate and starve it. Cuba is another such example. Because Cuba created a model of sustainability that threatened the US' ability to secure and exploit resources throughout Central and South America, it has been isolated in an attempt to kill it before it spread. <BR/><BR/>Does that help?Snadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04055786911610974637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-22725159373836553482008-08-06T05:26:00.000-07:002008-08-06T05:26:00.000-07:00John, how has the church misunderstood Christ? Can...John, how has the church misunderstood Christ? Can you explain more fully?<BR/><BR/>Grace.Gracehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17018475588969974790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-84620134555621698312008-08-06T05:01:00.000-07:002008-08-06T05:01:00.000-07:00Is it possible that the Catholic church has misund...<I>Is it possible that the Catholic church has misunderstood Matthew Fox?</I> <BR/><BR/>Since I am not RC, it would be bad form for me to pick on them exclusively, but, in a sense, yes. <BR/><BR/>To put it more bluntly: the Church with a capital C has misunderstood Christ. <BR/><BR/><I>What exactly is deviant about him?</I><BR/><BR/>Actually, Fox's book, "Original Blessing" was called dangerous and deviant by the powers that be.<BR/><BR/>As far as Christ is concerned, we can read the Gospels to discover his dangerous deviance.John Shuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00798753206614838161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-1853368777000018532008-08-05T19:16:00.000-07:002008-08-05T19:16:00.000-07:00No - the Catholic church (and the Dominicans most ...No - the Catholic church (and the Dominicans most specifically) have not misunderstood Fox dear Grace. No not at all.<BR/><BR/>I was going to come here and just say "You had me at Matthew Fox" but I thought that I would be more serious and say what I did to Grace's comment.<BR/><BR/>Deep sigh.Franhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07181529277715646835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-18926316776885513722008-08-04T19:52:00.000-07:002008-08-04T19:52:00.000-07:00"...compassion is the root of all authentic spirit..."...compassion is the root of all authentic spirituality."<BR/><BR/>Pretty good.David R.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13902714786448599023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-72714465837306491702008-08-04T18:51:00.000-07:002008-08-04T18:51:00.000-07:00Is it possible that the Catholic church has misund...Is it possible that the Catholic church has misunderstood Matthew Fox? What exactly is deviant about him? I read an interview awhile back where Fox claimed that creation spirituality does not deny the concept of original sin, but instead thinks that this should not be stressed.<BR/><BR/>He instead believes that the church should emphasis the blessing, and original goodness of creation.<BR/><BR/>It seems to me that Christians see a paradox here. All that God has created is good, and blessed. We are fearfully, and wonderfully made. Yet also broken, and fallen. We can not just, in our own strength, redeem creation, and fix ourselves by ourselves. <BR/><BR/>How empire, and the military-industrial complex tie into this, I am definitely clueless.Gracehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17018475588969974790noreply@blogger.com