tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post579589284018242330..comments2024-02-19T04:50:58.170-08:00Comments on Shuck and Jive: Four Presbyteries Vote TuesdayJohn Shuckhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00798753206614838161noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-40824095607727767842009-04-21T09:25:00.000-07:002009-04-21T09:25:00.000-07:00Stushie,
I was wondering why the story of Gamalie...Stushie,<br /><br />I was wondering why the story of Gamaliel does not apply to anyone who takes upon themselves the mantle of the ministry. <br /><br />Or maybe that IS what you were saying.<br /><br />If the only impediment to ordaining someone is the fact that they are gay, but in all other respects we can find no difference between them and any other highly qualified well trained called for the ministry person, don't the words of Gamaliel tell us not to gag them?<br /><br />What is "ordination" except us giving our consent to let them serve the Church, and to let them preach, according to the calling and gifts of Holy Spirit?<br /><br />Gamaliel was right. We should let God run the Church every once in a while. The new Amendment B kind of gives Him better permission.Jodiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15447125159108080797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-85204032898616194822009-04-20T22:53:00.000-07:002009-04-20T22:53:00.000-07:00utah votes, i think on may 8, though i'm not exact...utah votes, i think on may 8, though i'm not exactly sure. if there's any kind of discussion i know that pastor paul, and the other reps from first presbyterian of logan, will do their best to convince conservative utah to vote the right way.brookehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12252293767943598801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-51213664683018990932009-04-20T11:00:00.000-07:002009-04-20T11:00:00.000-07:00Thanks Levellers! I am supposed to be reading Mol...Thanks Levellers! I am supposed to be reading Moltmann in a book study I am in, but I missed the first meeting, and have to play catch up.<br /><br />Alan,<br /><br />According to Bruce Hahne's website the popular vote is 48-52 or so with a bullet!<br /><br />Brian,<br /><br />Thanks for the link to NYTimes article! Great article!<br /><br />Stushie,<br /><br />I guess everyone has a role to play in life's dramas. Some see themselves as Gamaliel, some see themselves as apostles following the Spirit, some see themselves as protectors of the tradition.<br /><br />And the play goes on...John Shuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00798753206614838161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-12969686547383448952009-04-20T10:53:00.000-07:002009-04-20T10:53:00.000-07:00I understand what you're writing, John, and note t...I understand what you're writing, John, and note that Wilberforce's staying power eventually stopped the slave trade in Britain.<br /><br />I know that you and many others have been struggling in this marathon, but people on the other side of the issue also struggle to maintain their faith. You and I have exchanged many slingshots, arrows, and duelling pistols over matters of faith, but it's because we're both passionate about what we believe.<br /><br />Perhaps, we both could heed what Gamaliel had to say about our own fledgling faith: (Acts 5:38-39)<br /><br />Therefore, in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God."Stushiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10693178228505134028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-7464708308849675942009-04-20T08:30:00.000-07:002009-04-20T08:30:00.000-07:00But in the not-so-long-run, I think this is over. ...But in the not-so-long-run, I think this is over. Civil same-sex marriage will be a fait accompli in the next decade for sure, and I suspect that with a bit more hard work, the ordination issue will be settled in the PC(USA) after the 219th GA.<br /><br />At least that's my prayer.<br /><br />Then we can go fight about something else!<br /><br />http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/19/opinion/19Rich.htmlBrian Spolarichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15763960114999836359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-68777997076973773722009-04-20T07:14:00.000-07:002009-04-20T07:14:00.000-07:00I agree, John. We definitely need to keep up the ...I agree, John. We definitely need to keep up the momentum, regardless of the final vote count in the Presbyteries. It would be great to still will the "popular vote" and I think that's still possible.<br /><br />In addition, every mind we change this time out will make it that much easier next time, and will result in one more supporter to help change other peoples' minds next time out.<br /><br />This isn't over by a long shot.Alanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16274395216929104919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-30786906836310119852009-04-20T02:38:00.000-07:002009-04-20T02:38:00.000-07:00Jack Rogers has come a long way on this topic sinc...Jack Rogers has come a long way on this topic since his days teaching at Fuller. Then again, so have I and I taught there as recently as 2000! :-)<br /><br />I like your blog. My theology is more along the lines of an Anabaptist adaptation of Moltmann, but I share most of your progressive political commitments, including to marriage equality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-23842986074532625402009-04-19T23:35:00.000-07:002009-04-19T23:35:00.000-07:00Genesis 17
For the generations to come every male ...Genesis 17<br />For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner—those who are not your offspring. Whether born in your household or bought with your money, they must be circumcised. <br /><br />There is no condemnation of buying and selling people for money, provided they are forcibly circumcised.<br /><br />Of course, many Christians would say that this passage belongs firmly in the Judeo part of America's Judeo-Christian heritage.Steven Carrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11983601793874190779noreply@blogger.com