tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post6934256848108349900..comments2024-02-19T04:50:58.170-08:00Comments on Shuck and Jive: A Saturday ScreedJohn Shuckhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00798753206614838161noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-35485122636442099052010-01-11T06:40:52.563-08:002010-01-11T06:40:52.563-08:00Gord Brown said, "All we can do is continue t...Gord Brown said, "All we can do is continue to work in the vineyard and live in hope and faith."<br /><br />Only if by "living in the vineyard," we mean keeping the Covenant of distributive justice-compassion, which is not as easy as a lot of folks think. <br /><br />"hope" is not going to do anything for the Transgendered people unless the rest of us take inclusive action and loudly and publicly counter the outrageous bigotry.<br /><br />"Faith" is worthless if all it means is "belief" that "God" will eventually intervene and do something. We're the ones who can do something.<br /><br />(Not to make Mr. Brown wrong here, just pointing out that it's easy to sleep under the grapevine . . . which metaphor gets mixed in a hurry.)<br /><br />And just to satisfy my own wish to join the screed, What do the Fundies want us to do with our transgendered babies, and others born with varying kinds of anomalies that they would force us to carry to term into a lifetime of suffering because abortion is a killing offense? <br /><br />Are we to put our unwanted children out on a hill to die?Sea Raven, D.Min.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11437086460582996056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-37818617232829042052010-01-10T21:30:27.415-08:002010-01-10T21:30:27.415-08:00I like communities. They are messier.
Pshaw. You...<i>I like communities. They are messier.</i><br /><br />Pshaw. You just like the potlucks!Snadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04055786911610974637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-81996882114806338542010-01-10T20:59:09.601-08:002010-01-10T20:59:09.601-08:00God without religion would be another way to go ab...God without religion would be another way to go about it. <br /><br />Religion evolves. Views of God including leaving go of the concept is certainly possible.<br /><br />The other way of somehow keeping the concept but leaving go of religion would be what exactly? Private practice I suppose?<br /><br />Religion to me requires a community. Spirituality or mysticism could happen alone and that I suppose would be God without religion. I personally am less interested in that. I like communities. They are messier.<br /><br />Tailbone. Comes from the theory that our ancestors once had tails. Kind of funny how we kept that language.John Shuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00798753206614838161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-77868674106336986892010-01-10T20:19:24.980-08:002010-01-10T20:19:24.980-08:00As for the tail bone, I think it provides >some...As for the tail bone, I think it provides >some< support. Especially when I sit.Jodiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15447125159108080797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-85120460279614579982010-01-10T20:18:16.652-08:002010-01-10T20:18:16.652-08:00Well...
What about God without religion? Christ w...Well...<br /><br />What about God without religion? Christ without Christianity?<br /><br />I mean, it's no secret that Jesus had a problem with religion. Is it?Jodiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15447125159108080797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-23970670364965860602010-01-10T18:40:46.866-08:002010-01-10T18:40:46.866-08:00OK, I'll keep my tailbone.
But I think you ...OK, I'll keep my tailbone. <br /><br />But I think you get the point, right, uh...<br /><br />...ah hell... : )John Shuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00798753206614838161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-58829660615725295032010-01-10T17:12:59.793-08:002010-01-10T17:12:59.793-08:00And that, Jodie, is exactly what I am getting at. ...And that, Jodie, is exactly what I am getting at. Religion without God. Atheist Christianity. Non super-natural religion. Natural religion.<br /><br />Once we say that gods, god, supernatural, and all that is not central or necessary then we can talk about what religion can be about.<br /><br />The supernatural (and all the baggage that goes with it including God) is a distraction. It is a leftover like our tailbones that we no longer need.John Shuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00798753206614838161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-51366416997373141512010-01-10T16:26:48.193-08:002010-01-10T16:26:48.193-08:00"Christian Atheists"
That's kind of..."Christian Atheists"<br /><br />That's kind of an odd term.<br /><br />Like decaffeinated coffee. I'm not sure what the point is.Jodiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15447125159108080797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-36011678598484031972010-01-10T11:42:24.070-08:002010-01-10T11:42:24.070-08:00I do think it is important for thoughtful people t...I do think it is important for thoughtful people to work together. Atheists are our best allies. Progressive Christians, Atheists, and Christian Atheists need to find common cause which include some of the things I mentioned in this post. <br /><br />Some of the challenge is within progressive Christianity to accept religious atheists as their own.John Shuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00798753206614838161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-37271803759092987572010-01-10T08:47:06.732-08:002010-01-10T08:47:06.732-08:00"cannot hear the word Christian without start..."cannot hear the word Christian without starting and stopping with Falwell, Dobson et al. "<br /><br />That's just IT. The Fundamentalists give Jesus Christ a bad name!<br /><br />Their tabloids, their crusades against [fill in the blank], their self serving bigotry and hypocrisy in the name of righteousness all land at the feet of Jesus.Jodiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15447125159108080797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-28491599922525466102010-01-10T06:52:05.592-08:002010-01-10T06:52:05.592-08:00Don't have a lot of time for Hitchens. My only...Don't have a lot of time for Hitchens. My only response to Hitchens is that he is a drunk that betrays his friends (see Blumenthal's The Clinton Wars).<br /><br />Talked with my daughter last night about the Holocaust and what a Christian response to this story should be. Her English teacher, whom encouraged by her mother Spencer dislikes intensely, went on a rant blaming Christianity for the Holocaust.<br /><br />I said the Nazi's may have been many things but they weren't by any definition Christian. In fact, before the Final Solution was perpetrated, they gave up on their effort to subvert the Church (generally because it was more trouble than it was worth after their power had been consolidated). I also said that the worst atrocities of the last century were perpetrated outside of the Church by nominal atheists. That is my response to Dawkins.<br /><br />But we do have a major problem. Too many people don't see the good things Christians (inside and outside formal structures)have done and cannot hear the word Christian without starting and stopping with Falwell, Dobson et al. This isn't going to change anytime soon.<br /><br />All we can do is continue to work in the vinyard and live in hope and faith.gordbrownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06741420085642720240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-66023278799418979962010-01-09T12:28:57.678-08:002010-01-09T12:28:57.678-08:00We should have a viewing of that movie some night!...We should have a viewing of that movie some night!Snadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04055786911610974637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-84204829440979737412010-01-09T11:32:23.835-08:002010-01-09T11:32:23.835-08:00Religulous, the Bill Maher movie, offers the same ...<a href="http://religulousmovie.net/" rel="nofollow"><i>Religulous</i>, the Bill Maher movie</a>, offers the same kind of critique challenging Christians to stop supporting the prophecies of Armageddon which could become self-fulfilling. He says we are enabling a possible catastrophe of epic proportions. The movie is entertaining, disturbing and comprehensive.<br /><br />Love + John A Wilde + Whitesboro NY + <a href="http://www.abundancetrek.com/" rel="nofollow">www.abundancetrek.com</a> + Why 99, you know we have to murder and kill and destroy in order to preserve everything that's good in the world." --Maxwell Smart to Agent 99Abundancetrekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02172605993275056084noreply@blogger.com