tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post7578226427448095382..comments2024-02-19T04:50:58.170-08:00Comments on Shuck and Jive: Silence Is Not A VirtueJohn Shuckhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00798753206614838161noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-78316514650941388442009-01-05T19:33:00.000-08:002009-01-05T19:33:00.000-08:00Thanks all. I listened to a debate tonight (part ...Thanks all. I listened to a debate tonight (part of one anyway) on Democracy Now! <BR/><BR/>The obvious question keeps coming up. Yes, it sucks for the Israelis to have to deal with rockets, day in and day out. The rockets are wrong. <BR/><BR/>Granted, Israel. We got that. Now what?<BR/><BR/>The question remains: what will make for a lasting peace? <BR/><BR/>This assault on Gaza will not. You simply create more angry, violent people with nothing to lose.<BR/><BR/>You have to negotiate with those you consider "terrorists." <BR/><BR/>The two state solution is the best deal the Israelis have...but it is fading away from them.John Shuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00798753206614838161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-75278639990909842492009-01-05T16:06:00.000-08:002009-01-05T16:06:00.000-08:00Thanks for speaking out about his horrible situati...Thanks for speaking out about his horrible situation.Dr. Monkey Von Monkersteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14370062692837972451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-38218796513743720552009-01-05T15:14:00.000-08:002009-01-05T15:14:00.000-08:00aND Borrowing from the early 1980's:SILENCE = DEAT...aND Borrowing from the early <BR/>1980's:<BR/><BR/>SILENCE = DEATHJohn McNeesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18301421993866391399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-92189377018423158742009-01-05T13:45:00.000-08:002009-01-05T13:45:00.000-08:00Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert told Haaretz in...Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert told Haaretz in late 2007:<BR/><BR/><BR/> "If the day comes when the two-state solution collapses, and we face a South African-style struggle for equal voting rights (also for the Palestinians in the territories), then, as soon as that happens, the State of Israel is finished," <BR/><BR/>"The Jewish organizations, which were our power base in America, will be the first to come out against us, because they will say they cannot support a state that does not support democracy and equal voting rights for all its residents."<BR/><BR/><BR/>I think he is giving too much credit to his American power base.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Calling this area of the world the “Holy Land” is an oxymoron. There is nothing holy about it. It is covered in blood.John McNeesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18301421993866391399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-31072212023805152912009-01-05T13:06:00.000-08:002009-01-05T13:06:00.000-08:00The Israelis will never agree to a one state solut...The Israelis will never agree to a one state solution. The Palestinian birthrate is significantly higher than the Jewish birthrate. Jews will be outnumbered in a short period of time and it will no longer be a Jewish homeland. Palestinian Christians as well as Palestinian Muslims were evicted from their homes in 1948. What the Brits and the Zionists did was horrible, but what they hey, they're just dirty Arabs anyway. (I am being ironic.) <BR/><BR/>Even the propeace Jews in this country are being quiet right now. Everyone is quiet. A holocaust is taking place and no one dares to say the emperor has no clothes. <BR/><BR/>When I was in Israel, my Israeli guide talked about the dirty Palestinians. I thought about how much he sounded like the antiSemitic folks I knew in the states, only with the object different. <BR/><BR/>What must God think of how we treat each other.Joan Calvinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13858394238696729686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-30689706610575071002009-01-05T12:29:00.000-08:002009-01-05T12:29:00.000-08:00Frankly, I think a good start to the problem would...Frankly, I think a good start to the problem would be for Israel to honor the agreement from 1967. As far as I can tell, they never have. Once they actually go that far, then perhaps they can come to the table with the Palestinians to make improvements or scrap it and start over again entirely.Snadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04055786911610974637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-27794866904982127682009-01-05T10:48:00.000-08:002009-01-05T10:48:00.000-08:00:) and at some point i'll talk about the 1 state ...:) and at some point i'll talk about the 1 state vs 2 state solution. i am a one-state solution person based on what i saw with the illegal settlements all throughout palestine. i know that general assembly passed a resolution supporting the 2 state solution but my question is - what facts and thoughts went into that resolution? did they take into account having to relocate thousands of militant israelis in order to create the 2 states?brookehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12252293767943598801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-45871996557087706772009-01-05T10:32:00.000-08:002009-01-05T10:32:00.000-08:00Snad--Don't forget how well trained we are to fear...Snad--<BR/><BR/><I>Don't forget how well trained we are to fear being labeled as "anti-Semitic". Never mind that the Palestinians are Semitic as well.</I><BR/><BR/>Good point. Thanks for the Chomsky link.<BR/><BR/>Brooke--<BR/><BR/>Yes I have been reading your blog and I highly recommend it. Thanks for your insights. I think you are right, that once people actually see what is going on their views change. <BR/><BR/>Thank you for commenting and for posting about this!John Shuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00798753206614838161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-24812479451698161252009-01-05T10:27:00.000-08:002009-01-05T10:27:00.000-08:00you've been reading my blog, yes (rivervision)? i...you've been reading my blog, yes (rivervision)? i think you have but i'm not 100% sure. so you know i feel the same way as you do. i just wanted to gently remind you - palestinians aren't all muslim and all israeli's are jews. there is a small minority of christian palestinians there - and the minority becomes more and more of one each day as the christians leave. it's simply heart breaking. the percentages my pastor gave me was - christians made up 10% of the population and now make up 2% of the population. as i'm sure you also know - there is a fear that at some point there will no longer be any christians in the holy land.<BR/><BR/>i'm glad you've been there and seen it. i was there this last summer with the christian peacemakers and spent most of my time in the west bank visiting palestinians. i wish i'd spent more time with israeli's - honestly - but i got a view that most westerners don't get which is the palestinian one. one thing that's come up in conversations is that if people aren't on the side of the palestinians and acknowledging the oppression, once they visit the west bank (or gaza) and see the lives they lead they then understand the oppression of the israeli government. it seems as though very few people who see it come back seeing israel as the victim (as it is portrayed in the media).<BR/><BR/>thanks for writing and speaking about it.brookehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12252293767943598801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-24636697732723768762009-01-05T10:24:00.000-08:002009-01-05T10:24:00.000-08:00Don't forget how well trained we are to fear being...Don't forget how well trained we are to fear being labeled as "anti-Semitic". Never mind that the Palestinians are Semitic as well.<BR/><BR/>Israel and the US have jointly created a culture whereby it is unacceptable to criticize policies of the Israeli government. <BR/><BR/>We have learned in the last eight years that it is possible for the world to cry out against the actions of the US government without hating the people or even the idea of America. Israel needs to accept that as well, and soon. <BR/><BR/>Here's some <A HREF="http://www.chomsky.info/books/dissent01.htm" REL="nofollow"> Chomsky</A>, just for fun.Snadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04055786911610974637noreply@blogger.com