tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post7613210511461265788..comments2024-02-19T04:50:58.170-08:00Comments on Shuck and Jive: A Bullet Point in PCUSA HistoryJohn Shuckhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00798753206614838161noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-22240775704904939572012-06-18T12:01:00.588-07:002012-06-18T12:01:00.588-07:00The meme continues! This is from Maple Valley PC ...The meme continues! This is from <a href="http://media1.razorplanet.com/share/511417-9373/siteDocs/Congregational%20letter%20on%20dismissal%20from%20PCUSA%205-21-12.pdf" rel="nofollow">Maple Valley PC</a> in Seattle Presbytery.<br /><br />Bullet point 8:<br /><br /><i>In recent years, several PCUSA pastors have publicly declared their inability to believe that Jesus rose from the dead. Among them are John Shuck of Elizabethtown, TN, Rob Martin of Palo Alto, Helen Dekker, in the Presbytery of West Jersey, and James Rigby of Austin.</i><br /><br />I demand some kind of payment for this...John Shuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00798753206614838161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-67682886256498317092012-06-07T06:37:16.083-07:002012-06-07T06:37:16.083-07:00Well, if they denounce the findings of scholarship...Well, if they denounce the findings of scholarship on enough blogs, maybe that will knock them into an alternative universe where modern scholarship never happened and all will be well again.Michael_SChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14179192580620356545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-25746236332713050402012-06-06T18:41:39.915-07:002012-06-06T18:41:39.915-07:00I think you should definitely take your infamy amo...I think you should definitely take your infamy among these congregations as a compliment! I'm a Unitarian Universalist who enjoys both your blog and your podcast. It's people like you and Bishop Spong who have led me to think about the Christian message in new and much more appealing ways.Thomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09068324359938063305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-88599546572131216112012-06-04T16:40:01.565-07:002012-06-04T16:40:01.565-07:00Nope, this Rob Martin is in Palo Alto, California....Nope, this <a href="http://fprespa.org/staff/" rel="nofollow">Rob Martin is in Palo Alto, California.</a>John Shuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00798753206614838161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-21847205681776741022012-06-04T13:25:22.383-07:002012-06-04T13:25:22.383-07:00Hey, I have a question. In the, "rogues galle...Hey, I have a question. In the, "rogues gallery" PCUSA has you listed in, I noted Rev Robert Martin. Is he the pastor of Crescent Avenue Presbyterian in Plainfield, NJ? <br /><br />Thanks, and peace.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-58582332070447769552012-06-04T08:24:07.343-07:002012-06-04T08:24:07.343-07:00@Sea
There is a level of schizophrenia except tha...@Sea<br /><br />There is a level of schizophrenia except that much of this activity by the fundamentalists is in reaction to the denomination moving toward equality and theological change.John Shuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00798753206614838161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-74709676562620171992012-06-04T07:27:06.205-07:002012-06-04T07:27:06.205-07:00BTW, the end of your article on the bigotry of the...BTW, the end of your article on the bigotry of the right-wing zealots in the PCUSA leads directly in to the title "Standing on the Side of Love" The "optics" as they say imply some serious spiritual schizophrenia in the denomination.Sea Raven, D.Min.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11437086460582996056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-20404668040895157302012-06-04T07:24:00.609-07:002012-06-04T07:24:00.609-07:00Hmm. Mansfield Kaseman was the UCC pastor of a un...Hmm. Mansfield Kaseman was the UCC pastor of a united congregation of PCUSA and the United Church of Christ in Rockville, Maryland. http://www.rockvilleunitedchurch.org They named their fellowship hall after him . . . He must remember me, because we are linked on Linked-In. Did you search for Sea Raven in the list of people descending into Hell (following Jesus, according to the Apostle's Creed). I was an apostate member of the United Church of Christ for years, driving the Biblical Witness folks nutz. <br /><br />You are in good company. A Cloud of Witnesses, and all that. Take care and watch your back.Sea Raven, D.Min.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11437086460582996056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-82883466607870752242012-06-04T04:37:03.058-07:002012-06-04T04:37:03.058-07:00I think it wonderful that you have achieved memene...I think it wonderful that you have achieved memeness and bullet pointness. I am jealous that I am not among the evil modernists attacked by those who hate you.Dennis Maherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11030902830985145482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-16439619205164997272012-06-03T19:10:14.433-07:002012-06-03T19:10:14.433-07:00BTW, what is interesting is that, in their paranoi...BTW, what is interesting is that, in their paranoia in seeing enemies around every corner, they think it is the liberals in the PCUSA who ae preventing them from leaving instead of the very same people who have been preventing the PCUSA from moving past the battles about sex: the moderate denominational bureaucrats. <br /><br />What is ironic is that had they allied themselves with liberals, their desperate need to pick up their toys and stomp out of the sandbox would have gone much more smoothly.Alanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16274395216929104919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-41111596336514357682012-06-03T19:01:58.817-07:002012-06-03T19:01:58.817-07:00"The disease is no awareness of their own his..."The disease is no awareness of their own history"<br /><br />Exactly! Unfortunately, and I do genuinely feel sorry for these folks on this point, they joined a denomination with no understanding of its history. We had this battle in the 20's and they lost. And then again in the '60's and they lost again. <br /><br />The OPC is has been waiting for them with open arms. They just need to accept that they've been in the wrong denomination all this time and move on.Alanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16274395216929104919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-33212250916752870062012-06-03T18:48:43.138-07:002012-06-03T18:48:43.138-07:00I still don't get what dis-ease causes pastors...<i>I still don't get what dis-ease causes pastors to want to get their congregations all tied up into knots over what other pastors are doing far far away, and in some cases a long time ago</i><br /><br />Speaking of far away and long ago, I loved that one church is angry with the PCUSA because Pearl S. Buck, the missionary to China in the 20s. That is marvelous.<br /><br />The dis-ease is no awareness of their own history. Fundamentalists have a 12 second memory. <br /><br />That's what is wrong the PCUSA, Pearl S. Buck. <br /><br />Rhymes with Shuck.John Shuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00798753206614838161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-28757133287222406282012-06-03T17:09:04.737-07:002012-06-03T17:09:04.737-07:00John,
I still don't get what dis-ease causes ...John,<br /><br />I still don't get what dis-ease causes pastors to want to get their congregations all tied up into knots over what other pastors are doing far far away, and in some cases a long time ago. Instead of learning how to preach they want to spend their time doing church politics and criticising other pastors.<br /><br />It's like they have a bad flu.<br /><br />You just want to say "gesundheit".<br /><br />But I do wish they would cover their mouths when they sneeze. Maybe call in sick or something. They seem to not understand it's themselves they make look bad when they sneeze over others.<br /><br />JodieJodiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15447125159108080797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-34940876057996643662012-06-03T15:38:19.122-07:002012-06-03T15:38:19.122-07:00From bullet point to meme...next it's the ever...From bullet point to meme...next it's the ever popular Dog-whistle" in which your name will be Used to deliver a coded message only to those who can hear it. If you're lucky, you might make it into the new creeds and confessions of these new fundie E-COPS denominations, e.g. "therefore we deny the pernicious and damnable heresies of the Shuckians..." <br /><br />As Lisa Simpson says, "I think you need Skinner, Bart. Everyone needs a nemesis. Sherlock Holmes had his Dr. Moriarty, Mountain Dew had its Mellow Yellow, even Maggie has that baby with the one eyebrow."Alanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16274395216929104919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-45164117600797621502012-06-03T15:11:10.260-07:002012-06-03T15:11:10.260-07:00Ha! Unfortunately, I can do that as well!Ha! Unfortunately, I can do that as well!John Shuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00798753206614838161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-23320161568600573262012-06-03T14:58:54.367-07:002012-06-03T14:58:54.367-07:00A bullet point! For some reason, that sounds a lo...A bullet point! For some reason, that sounds a lot better than making as asterisk of yourself.Snadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04055786911610974637noreply@blogger.com