tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post9137299939385914067..comments2024-02-19T04:50:58.170-08:00Comments on Shuck and Jive: Paul and Garry WillsJohn Shuckhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00798753206614838161noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-38917088369591055502007-06-12T19:07:00.000-07:002007-06-12T19:07:00.000-07:00Heather,I have not run across that phrase exactly,...Heather,<BR/><BR/>I have not run across that phrase exactly, but certainly the concept. The Jesus Seminar has a Paul Seminar working on a translation of Paul's letters. I am not sure what they will come up with but I think the distinction you made critical. The Protestant Reformation interpreted Paul in a certain way and that way is being challenged. Garry Wills points that out. <BR/><BR/>I think we have to ask what "salvation" means for sure. Further the idea of justification by faith is another area of debate. Faith in or of what?<BR/><BR/>I know that those working with the Jesus Seminar are challenging the idea that the phrase has to do with being justified by faith in Jesus to being justified by [the] faith of Jesus. A simple preposition which carries a great deal of theological weight. <BR/><BR/>The simplistic idea that Jews are a religion of works and protestantism is a religion of faith is just that, simplistic, and false, in my opinion. <BR/><BR/>I recommend the Wills' book even though I don't think he does enough (in fact not much of anything) regarding both Paul's and Jesus's critique of Empire.John Shuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00798753206614838161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30648257.post-23515912784775495152007-06-12T14:47:00.000-07:002007-06-12T14:47:00.000-07:00John,Have you heard anything in the scholarly worl...John,<BR/><BR/>Have you heard anything in the scholarly world on the 'New Perspective on Paul?' I believe it was started with EP Sanders books, and now NT Wright and James Dunn also endorse it. What it says is that Judaism wasn't/isn't a work-based religion, in that one earns salvation. Rather, the works were a sign of being in the covenant, and gratitude for what God did. This would greatly call into question the Justification by Faith aspect. <BR/><BR/>Given that you'll be researching Paul, I just wondered.OneSmallStephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08189124855157679020noreply@blogger.com