Shuck and Jive


Tuesday, March 25, 2008

Author Del Brown Comments

The author of the book, What Does a Progressive Christian Believe? commented on the post I gave to this book. I want to make sure his comment doesn't get lost, so here it is:

John, thank you for setting aside your discomfort with the title long enough to read my book. Thanks even more for the review (forwarded to me by a friend). As you quickly gathered from the Preface, by "a" progressive Christian I meant "this one, the author," but that was not clear from the title alone, I know.

You and your readers might be interested in the discussion of the book forthcoming shortly in the March/April issue of The Progressive Christian.

Thank you, too, for your progressive Christian leadership where it counts. You and your colleagues in parishes are the ones making the difference. I hope some of the rest of us help out a little, even those of us from places like Berkeley!

By the way, are you acquainted with SPAFER (see my Preface), centered in Birmingham but drawing from all over the South?

With much appreciation,

Del Brown

I owe Dr. Brown an apology for misreading the title! I thank him for a marvelous book. It is a good book to remind readers now after we have finished our Easter poll.

Here is the webpage for SPAFER. I am familiar with this organization but I haven't attended any events yet. I hope to in the near future.

Here is an upcoming Fall event on their calendar:
Hal Taussig has agreed to join us next fall September 26-27. Please mark your calendars. The subject will be announced later. Speakers for the spring are under consideration.
I am glad I noticed that so I don't schedule our Jesus Seminar on the Road on the same weekend.

The Fighting Fundamentalists


I am getting a lot of hits from the Fighting Fundamental Forums. I guess they like to find liberal sites so they can go and pick fights. You can go there to hear them strategize!

The person who started the forum asked:

Would like to get some input as to how to engage him-- or should I deem it a futile exercise in pearl-casting to a pig?




I would call engaging me "a futile exercise in pearl-casting to a pig."

So don't bother.




Resurrection Roundup

The Easter poll was a popular one. More responded to it than to the poll on the worst 80s songs. Here are the results:

Poll questions 1-4, choose one answer
Poll questions 5-6, choose as many as are true for you.

Poll Number 1:
The resurrection of Jesus was an historical event.

1. Yes. 73 (57%)
2. No. 54 (42%)


The intent of this question was to poll folks on whether or not they felt the resurrection of Jesus was event of history upon which the New Testament authors (especially the authors of the empty tomb narratives), are seen as reporting on an event, even if these reports may have elements of exaggeration or creative license. Of the 127 voters, 73 said yes and 54 no. 42% is a significant minority.

Poll Number 2:
The Empty Tomb narratives in the gospels are more like:
1. Reliable historical reports of an event. 66 (53%)
2. Creative religious legends. 58 (46%)


This question looks more specifically at the type of literature the empty tomb narratives represent. Only a slight majority see these narratives as historical reports instead of religious legends.



Poll Number 3:
The truth of the Resurrection can be approached through historical methodology:
1. Yes. 51 (44%)
2. No. 64 (55%)

This was interesting in that a slight majority felt that historical method does not lead to the "truth" of the Resurrection. This question did not specify what "truth" is. That may have been enough for many who may have voted yes on question one to choose no here.


Poll Number 4:
Christianity rests on:
1. The resurrection of Jesus as an historical event. 15 (12%)
2. The resurrection of Jesus as a proclamation of faith. 38 (32%)
3. Both. 40 (34%)
4. Neither. 24 (20%)

One-fifth of the voters claimed that Christianity does not rest on the resurrection of Jesus either as an historical event or a proclamation of faith. Only 12% said it rested upon the resurrection as an historical event. Most felt that the resurrection is a proclamation of faith even though 34% felt it needed both faith and history. Does the both answer mean folks have to have faith that it was an historical event or faith in the historical event's meaning?


Poll Number 5:
I am not a Christian because
1. Christians are jerks. 8 (19%)
2. Christians think theirs is the only true religion. 23 (56%)
3. Christianity insults my intelligence. 12 (29%)
4. Christians insist that their myths and legends are historical facts. 25 (60%)
5. Christians are wrapped up in right wing politics: anti-gay, anti-choice, pro-war, etc. 23 (56%)
6. I am just not interested. 13 (31%)

Questions 5 and 6 were for those who do not self-identify as Christians. Multiple answers were accepted. In question 5, 41 people answered with 13 saying they were simply not interested. Only 8 of the 41 said it was because Christians were jerks. That is not a large factor. Also only 12 said Christianity insulted their intelligence. The most popular answers had to do with the way they saw Christianity, connected to right wing politics (56%), as conceiving of itself as the only true religion (56%), and their belief that Christianity insisted upon its legends and myths to be historical.

Poll Number 6:
I might consider Christianity if
1. Christians behaved better. 15 (32%)
2. Christians valued the contributions of science. 28 (60%)
3. Christians valued the contributions of other faiths. 28 (60%)
4. Christian myths and legends could be appreciated symbolically. 29 (63%)
5. Christianity made the world a better place rather than a worse one. 27 (58%)
6. Christians were inclusive to gays, reproductive choice, against war, etc. 32 (69%)
7. I could find a community that respected my freedom to think and to grow. 31 (67%)
8. I am just not interested. 8 (17%)

When pressed, 46 people who did not self-identify as Christian responded as to why. Only 8 of those said they were not interested. In other words, 38 of them said they might be interested in Christianity if it were perceived by them to be different. Only 15 credited their lack of self-identification on the behavior of Christians. Apparently Christians do not hold the corner on bad behavior at least for the other 31. The rest of the answers were nearly even, with a full two-thirds saying they might be interested if they could find a community that respected their freedom to learn and to grow.

What I think this last question illustrates is that many people who do not self-identify as Christian would if they perceived Christianity differently. Obviously, these questions were mine, and they reflect my values, the values of the congregation I serve, and the values of Progressive Christianity.


While Progressive Christianity is not for everyone, it certainly is a path that many would take if they found such a community. This poll as a whole suggests that there are different views regarding the stories of Christianity held by people already in the pews and the pulpits.

While not a majority, a solid minority does not regard the resurrection of Jesus as an historical event. This is an important option for many. Some may regard this as a lack of faith or apostasy within the ranks. They may see this as a sign of an ever-widening division. Others see this as part of the reformation of the church as people continue to learn and grow, embracing both the mysteries of faith and the modern or post-modern world.

The big question is this? Can we worship together? My answer is that we already do and certainly could and should continue to do so.










Monday, March 24, 2008

Bring Your Daughter to War Day a Big Success


Army Holds Annual 'Bring Your Daughter To War' Day

Bios for Presenters for CCP3

Here are the biographies of our presenters for Creating a Culture of Peace for April 18-20. We are thrilled to welcome Ted and Christy Gordon of Gaithersburg, MD. There are only a few places left for this conference and the one, April 4-6. So register quickly!

Ted is an electrical engineer at the Consumer Product Safety Commission and a seminarian at Wesley Theological Seminary. He has studied issues of justice and peace for 30 years. Over the last several years he has been trying to combine contemplation and public witness—most recently at Los Alamos in New Mexico, the Pentagon, and the School of Americas at Fort Benning, Georgia. Ted earned the CCP-trainer certificate April 2007, and he edits and ghostwrites for Father John Dear. He and Christy live with their two sons in Gaithersburg, Maryland, just outside Washington, D.C.

Christy, a psychotherapist, has her own practice in Gaithersburg and serves the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America as a teacher of conflict resolution and as a counselor. For several years she was a member of Church of the Saviour’s Wellspring Conference Center, helping guide seekers on the spiritual journey. Later as a member of the Dayspring Silent Retreat Center, she led day-long retreats. A CCP trainer, Christy led a nine-week nonviolence seminar this past autumn. She and Ted have been married 27 years, and their getaway weekends have lately been at large gatherings protesting torture and war.




I am Liking This

That All May Freely Serve is planning a big event at General Assembly. It is the New Church (R)evolution. Read about it on www.TAMFS.org. If you are in your 20's (give or take) they want you to be on the team! Airfare etc. is covered if you're application is accepted. Here is the information:

For the last 30 years our Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) has been divided over the place of its lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) members on issues like ordination and marriage. Along with other organizations, That All May Freely Serve has lobbied the church to change these destructive policies and end its oppression of LGBT people.

This year, we're taking a different approach from the legislative strategies of the past – a change that YOU can help make happen. At this year's General Assembly (June 21-28) in San Jose, California, That All May Freely Serve is bringing about a New Church (R)evolution!

Young adults and seminarians – our New Church (R)evolution team - will claim their birthright as members of a just and inclusive church. Through positive, life-giving action, the New Church (R)evolution will be the church we seek, as we invite the PCUSA to have the courage to join us in living into freedom and justice!

If you're:

in your twenties, give or take,
maybe in college or seminary,
maybe serving the church in some other way,
Presbyterian or concerned about the future of the mainline Protestant church,
definitely want to live on the edge of your faith and make a difference...

Please consider being a member of our team. Team members will receive full scholarships.

Please download the brochure for more information. Then, download and fill out an application form.

Is the LayMAN anti-Bunny?


I should say "Hi" to my LayMAN friends.




The LayMAN posted a letter this morning referencing me.






Here is a portion of it:

For me, the literal, physical Resurrection of Jesus Christ is the bottom line. If you believe that it is true, you may be a Christian; if you don't, you're not. Belief in a "spiritual" resurrection won't do. "Resurrection" by definition is physical, and a "spiritual" resurrection falls short of the apostolic kerygma.

To say, "Anyhow, even though we can't take the Resurrection story as literal truth, Jesus lives in my heart," is equally inadequate. You may as well say the Easter Bunny lives in your heart. Without the power of the Resurrection, the church lies helpless before a resurgent Islam. Without Resurrection power, secularism tightens its grip on culture.

I've been reading blogs by Presbyterian Church (USA) pastors. On one end, there's "Classical Presbyterian" by Toby Brown; on the other, there's "Shuck and Jive" by John Shuck. What this shows is the incredible vastness of the theological range within the PCUSA. Diversity can be a source of strength, but the diversity within this denomination is of such enormous proportions that it loses cohesion, meaning and purpose. It is unable to answer the question, "Who are we?" If it cannot answer that question, then logically the next one is, "Why continue as a denomination?" Inability to answer the all-important "Who-are-we" question, or to ignore it, must surely be a leading cause of the PCUSA's 40-year decline.

Ho hum.

Hey LayMANites, here is my Easter sermon. See if you can sniff out any heresies.



Long live the Easter Bunny! He is risen indeed!




Walking the Talk

I borrowed this pic from the monkey files. This is Nancy, the co-chair of our congregation's peacemaking committee.


Nancy was out with us at our peace demonstration Saturday. Nancy is the one who came up with the idea and is coordinating our Creating a Culture of Peace workshops. She walks the talk.
"Nonviolence is the Path to Peace."
We have some spaces left for our remaining two workshops, April 4-6 and April 18-20. Walk the talk with Nancy and join us!

Sunday, March 23, 2008

Let's Talk Openly and Honestly About the War

Sunday's Johnson City Press contained an opinion piece from the editor entitled: War in Iraq has taken a toll in lives, patience. It is a good commentary. The editor takes a moment to praise the efforts of ConcernedTNCitizens and other groups who speak out to oppose this war:

Others, like a group that held a candlelight vigil in Johnson City on Wednesday, are encouraging people to speak out on the war.
Sandra Garrett of Concerned TN Citizens suggests local residents write letters to members of Congress, newspapers and blog sites. That’s a good idea. We should talk honestly and openly about this war. That would be a refreshing break from the partisan rhetoric that we hear from our politicians.
Here is how to contact your congressperson.

Check out Monkey Muck's latest commentary on our demonstration and pics.




Easter Sermon 2008

Here is the text of today's Easter sermon. We played this song for our meditation. Here are the lyrics.

All I Need to Hear
John Shuck

First Presbyterian Church
March 23, 2008
Easter Sunday

So if you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. 2Set your minds on things that are above, not on things that are on earth, 3for you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. 4When Christ who is your life is revealed, then you also will be revealed with him in glory….

As God’s chosen ones, holy and beloved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience. 13Bear with one another and, if anyone has a complaint against another, forgive each other; just as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive. 14Above all, clothe yourselves with love, which binds everything together in perfect harmony. 15And let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, to which indeed you were called in the one body. And be thankful.
Colossians 3:1-4; 12-15


Have you noticed that Easter is early this year? Here is some fun trivia to take home. The earliest Easter can occur is March 22nd. That happened most recently in 1818 when James Monroe was president. It will happen again in 2285, when George Bush X becomes president. We will never see an earlier Easter than this one today.

Those of us who are at least 95 years old might have celebrated Easter on March 23rd, 1913 just 19 days after the inauguration of Woodrow Wilson. Easter will not fall on March 23rd again until 2228, 220 years from now. There you go, not only is Easter early, it is the earliest we will experience it this side of that heavenly shore.

It is those little bits of trivia that keep folks coming back to First Pres. We are nothing if not trivial.

Easter is a big day for the church. It is such a big day that the all the other Sundays are called “Little Easters.” For the church, Easter is bigger than Christmas. It is the day in which we celebrate the mystery of Resurrection. Notice I said mystery of Resurrection as opposed to fact of Resurrection.

We modern folks like facts almost as much as we like trivia. Did this happen? Did this not happen? What are the facts? The problem with religious symbols such as Resurrection is that they are not fact-friendly.

I would say that I trust in the mystery of Resurrection rather than say I believe in the fact of the Resurrection. I think it is important to make that distinction because we can get caught up trivia. Trust in the mystery of Resurrection is far more complex and difficult than belief or unbelief in the fact of Resurrection. Believing or not believing in the fact of something is a mental activity. Trust or lack of trust in something is a way of life. Trust demands more from me and gives more to me than belief. I can believe things about you, but to say I trust you requires a monumental shift. It is a risk. It is a relationship.

Trust is not always consistent. When I say I trust in the mystery of the Resurrection, I need to be honest, and say I often do not trust. In fact, if the cards were down, and I was fully honest, I would have to admit that I am far less trusting than I think I am or pretend to be.

Why? Because I want things my way. I want to be in control. To trust makes me vulnerable. Trust is the act of allowing someone or something else to have a say. When I engage in trust I give up my power for shared power. It is a risk. It may not work the way I want it to work.

Trust is the opposite of control. When we say the word trust, our arms open. We are vulnerable and able to receive. When we say the word control, our arms close in, we tense. We want to keep what we have and keep others out. Trust is a giving and a receiving.

Two forces are at work within me. One seeks control of the situation, the other trusts. If I am not aware of what is happening, I generally seek to control. But if I do remember to be aware, I can step back and allow others to participate. Trusting doesn’t mean I don’t participate, I do. Trust means I don’t need to control the outcome. Trust is accepting that even though I don’t know how it will work out and even though it may not work out the way I originally planned, it may work out beyond my expectations when others participate with me in the process.

I would have to say that from experience, trust works better than control. So why don’t I trust more and control less? That is a mystery. I get afraid and I spin wheels thinking or calculating and before you know it, I am controlling. I like to think I am learning and growing regarding that. Or at least I am remembering that I have a choice.

What does this have to do with Resurrection? I can do a couple of things regarding the Resurrection of Jesus Christ. I can treat it as a belief, which is a form of control. I can believe it or not believe it. Then call it a day. I have controlled the issue. I have turned it into an historical fact that I can either affirm or deny.

Or I can treat it as an act of trust.

16th century Reformer Martin Luther said: Our Lord has written the promise of resurrection, not in books alone, but in every leaf in springtime.”

Resurrection is a symbol of death and rebirth. The sun sets and rises. The caterpillar enters its chrysalis to emerge as a butterfly. The ground rests in the winter and sprouts forth life in the spring. Our evolutionary history has shown us that species of life die and new ones form. Stars are born, die, and from their debris, new stars form. We go to sleep at night and wake in the morning. The pattern of death and rebirth is all around us. Trusting in the resurrection can be as simple as appreciating and trusting in the cycle of nature.

I have been born. I will die. What will come after I trust in forces beyond myself.

We know that before Jesus were many stories of individuals, whether they be gods or human beings, who died and were resurrected. Osiris, Dionysius, Odin, Vishnu, Bacchus, Phoenix, Tammuz, Baal, and many others from different times in different places and cultures.

The symbol of dying and rising is a symbol that is deep in our collective human consciousness. These stories are not just stories, they point to a reality of how the universe works.

Trusting in the Resurrection of Jesus can be the act of trust in the power of a story that is shared across civilizations that points to the mystery of death and rebirth.

Even though there is a commonality between these stories, there is a particularity to each story. The resurrection of Jesus is particular in an interesting way. Some apologists have argued that while all the other stories of resurrection are myths, Jesus’ resurrection really happened. It is historical. Believe it.

I think that is an interpretation based on control. If the church approached its own story and the stories of others with an attitude of trust it would have something good to offer. Because much of Christian theology approaches its story as true as opposed to others that are false, it misses its opportunity to share what is healing and powerful about its story as well as appreciating what is healing and powerful about others’ stories.

When I say the story of the death and resurrection of Christ is particular, that does not mean it is better or worse, or more true or less true, than other stories. We are all particular human beings. Our particularity does not make us better or worse, more true or less true than others; it simply means that we have something to offer and to receive from others.

Here is one thing I think Christianity could bring to the table if it was humble enough to sit around a table. I owe what I am about to say to a number of scholars of Christian origins, most notably John Dominic Crossan.

The story of Jesus Christ is rooted in an historical time and place. Its story formed over a period of four centuries. The setting is the occupation of Palestine by the Roman Empire.

Jesus as we read him in the gospels was executed by the Roman Empire with assistance from the Jewish temple authorities. He didn’t die of the flu or of old age. According to the story, he was executed by established authority as a criminal and as a threat to the peace. His resurrection has no meaning outside of his crucifixion. His crucifixion has no meaning outside of his resurrection.

Rome was not an evil empire. Crossan calls it the “normalcy of civilization.” Rome kept peace and kept the economy going. As Lenin said to justify the killings of Russian citizens to make the communist state: “If you are going to make an omelet you have to break a few eggs.”

There were eggs that needed breaking to bring Roman peace to Palestine. They broke these eggs through crucifixion. Thousands of people were crucified. Usually, petty criminals and slaves as an example. The crucifixions were public so people would get the message: Don’t do what this one did, or you will end up like this one. It was state sponsored terrorism.

Jesus was one of thousands. He was in the way. He was in the wrong place. He got above his raisin’. He threatened the peace. As his story is told in the Gospels he represented anyone who was ever crucified by Rome. The title most often given to Jesus in the gospels is the son of the man—it means the human being. Jesus is everyman. Not just everyman, everyman who was crushed by Rome’s wheel. He represented the poor and the suffering. He represented the collateral damage of Rome’s expansion. He was another egg that needed breaking for civilization to progress.

We could end the story right there. It is a story that happens all the time to this day.

A recent poll has determined that a million Iraqis have died due to the war. The normalcy of civilization says: “That is unfortunate, but we are making progress.”

The people of Tibet die and lose their freedom and their country and the normalcy of civilization says: “We grieve over the deaths, but we are making progress.”

The story of Jesus could have ended there. We are sorry for Jesus, but we are making progress. But the story didn’t end there. I don’t know how it happened. But his story became the focal point of a larger story that built around him. It grew. People began to tell each other: Rome doesn’t get the last word this time. Whether those who had the original idea had a spiritual experience, I don’t know. But people began to tell each other that God raised Jesus from the dead. The one that Rome executed, God raised. The Resurrection is God’s yes to Rome’s no.

The history of the church shows us that that story was bought and sold, tamed and distorted. The normalcy of civilization turned it into a way of controlling people through threats of hell and rewards of heaven. The Resurrection changed from a mystery to trust to a fact to be believed.

And yet, we still have echoes of the story’s transforming power in the gospels themselves. Despite the normalcy of the institution and of civilizations, people throughout our history to this day have found hope and power to say no to violence and injustice and yes to sharing, peace, and cooperation.

This is the opinion of one preacher. This is the way I see it. I have no corner on the truth. There certainly is much more to be said about the mysteries of Christianity and the mysteries of others’ stories. But I do think that this interpretation of the Resurrection is a valid one. I think it can be a life-transforming interpretation. I think it can be a way for Christian communities today to find the spiritual energy and hope to engage a world that is beset with violence and the desire to control.

For me, to trust in the mystery of the Resurrection, particularly, the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, is to trust in the shared power of non-violent change. That is a Divine power. It is to die to the old way of control and to be raised in the new way of trust.

The author of Colossians wrote: “So if you have been raised with Christ…” then…

“…As God’s chosen ones, holy and beloved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience. 13Bear with one another and, if anyone has a complaint against another, forgive each other; just as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive. 14Above all, clothe yourselves with love, which binds everything together in perfect harmony. 15And let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, to which indeed you were called in the one body. And be thankful.

That doesn’t sound like powerful, normalcy of civilization language. It isn’t. It is the language of trust. Don’t let the soft words fool you. They are the words of shared power that no power of violence can destroy.

When I titled this sermon “All I Need to Hear” I was thinking about the song we heard in our meditation, “Wanting Memories.” I was thinking of this stanza:

I am sitting here wanting memories to teach me,
to see the beauty in the world through my own eyes.
I thought that you were gone, but now I know you're with me,
You are the voice that whispers all I need to hear.

That is the presence of the Risen Christ. With us. Present. Alive. If we trust, we will hear his voice.