Shuck and Jive

Thursday, July 01, 2010

Eternity In Hell With the Gays--Woot!

In today's LayMAN, guess who is mentioned? Yes, yours truly, son of Adam, is once again the bad example and the naughty boy of the PCUSA. Everything that is wrong with this denomination is epitomized, nay, incarnated, in the person and work of that messiah of apostasy, John Shuck, and his weak-kneed presbytery who is unable to contain him. To wit, from Larry Brown:
John Shuck, pastor of First Presbyterian of Elizabethton, TN, denies the bodily resurrection of Jesus and has said that if Jesus were to condemn homosexuality, then he, Shuck, would rather spend eternity in hell with the gays. The problem is not with an individual named John Shuck; the problem is that there is a presbytery in which someone like him can be a member in good standing.
Larry is digging through the archives for that one. That reference goes all the way back to my chats with Pastor Bob nearly three years ago. Here is the post that I still think is pretty good. Larry, catch up will ya? I have posted far more flamboyant heresies since then.

And that is exactly right, Larry. If Jesus were to condemn "homosexuality" I would rather spend eternity in hell with the gays.

But it isn't Jesus. It is the self-righteous Christians who have made life hell on earth for gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender people. I will gladly stand in hell with the gays than in "heaven" with those who condemn.

On a previous comment thread, Alan linked to this blog post, I Hugged a Man in His Underwear and I am Proud. Here is an excerpt:

I hugged a man in his underwear. I think Jesus would have too.

I spent the day at Chicago’s Pride Parade. Some friends and I, with The Marin Foundation, wore shirts with “I’m Sorry” written on it. We had signs that said, “I’m sorry that Christians judge you,” “I’m sorry the way churches have treated you,” “I used to be a bible-banging homophobe, sorry.” We wanted to be an alternative Christian voice from the protestors that were there speaking hate into megaphones.

What I loved most about the day is when people “got it.” I loved watching people’s faces as they saw our shirts, read the signs, and looked back at us. Responses were incredible. Some people blew us kisses, some hugged us, some screamed thank you. A couple ladies walked up and said we were the best thing they had seen all day. I wish I had counted how many people hugged me. One guy in particular softly said, “Well, I forgive you.”

Watching people recognize our apology brought me to tears many times. It was reconciliation personified.

My favorite though was a gentleman who was dancing on a float. He was dressed solely in white underwear and had a pack of abs like no one else. As he was dancing on the float, he noticed us and jokingly yelled, “What are you sorry for? It’s pride!” I pointed to our signs and watched him read them.

Then it clicked.

Then he got it.

He stopped dancing. He looked at all of us standing there. A look of utter seriousness came across his face. And as the float passed us he jumped off of it and ran towards us. In all his sweaty beautiful abs of steal, he hugged me and whispered, “thank you.”

This is the type of contrition and reconciliation that the PC (U.S.A.) needs to do at this General Assembly. There will be no healing for our denomination until the Church apologizes and seeks forgiveness and reconciliation from those we have condemned. We condemned them, not Jesus or God. The height of blasphemy is to condemn others and then blame one's own prejudice on God or Jesus.

If you really believe in an eternal hell, Larry, you ought to worry about what you say about God's people.

Commissioners, it is time. Make some apologies and make it right.


  1. "The height of blasphemy is to condemn others and then blame one's own prejudice on God or Jesus. "

    BINGO! Or at least says this heathen.

    If there were a hell, it would be the wagging fingers of the fusspots, tattletales, busybodies and scolds that fan the flames.

  2. L'enfer, c'est les autres (Hell is other people.)

    --Jean-Paul Sartre

  3. He writes that making sweeping generalizations can be dangerous, and then goes on to make a page worth of sweeping generalizations. But that sort of lazy thinking is always the way it is with all fundamentalists. ;)

    John Shuck: Official Boogeyman of the Presbyterian Lay Committee since 2007.